“Traditional Marriage” and the Flip Side


ISIL and the Bilderburgers and who knows who else wants to take over the world and reduce all it doesn’t kill to slavery and people are STILL so easily distracted by other things. Meanwhile our traitor-in-cheif is importing terrorists and ignoring the training camps they’re sitting up, instead trying to start race wars. And there’s the politicians just fanning the flames on anything they can.

“Trust us, we’ll fix it for you!”

Yeah right. How often have we heard that before? Is there anyone still dumb enough to believe?

Same sex marriage. Really? How is this a genuine problem? Is it maybe because the government is way too involved in marriage? Should they be?

S’okay, some Christian clerics are expressing concern that they will be forced to perform marriages they don’t believe in.

Sure enough, a gay couple is suing a church for refusing to marry them

Honestly, this baffles me. I’ve been married 3 times and never once in a church. All the church does is the religious ceremony that has no legal standing whatsoever. What’s more, they mostly only do it for members of their church or, at the very least, their own denomination.  People like me, like a lot of us, don’t fall into that category and it surprises me whenever a gay couple DOES. If no church accepts them for who they are, why would they belong to any church, let alone expect it to marry them?

No. The legal part of marriage happens in the courthouse because the government has been involved in the marriage business for a long time. It allows tax breaks for married couples, allows the spouses to insure one another, execute their wills, refrain from testimony against each other in a court of law, allows them to visit one another in the hospital when all others are forbidden, and make crucial health decisions for one another, etc., etc.

It seems reasonable to me that any couple that has chosen to share their lives and responsibilities should have the same rights regardless of their sexual orientation. Assuming they are equals, willing partners, and treated that way. I don’t think it should count when one is the legal guardian of the other because that one is under age, an imbecile, or an animal. If this is the case, then pedophilic, beastial, forced, and Sharia marriages would automatically be ruled out since the partners are unequally yoked as it were. Polygamy would be okay IF all partners to it were equal and willing.

Side note here for those unaware: Sharia laws give women only half the inheritance of due men and requires all women to have a male guardian (whether father, husband, son, grandfather, or uncle) who can dictate who they marry, how they dress, whether or not they can drive, hold a job, vote, go to school, or even visit friends and can beat, disfigure, or kill her if she rebels.  This is why Sharia marriage cannot be regarded as a marriage between equal partners.  It’s not.

I only mention this because, among the other unhappy noises religionists have been making about same-sex marriage, is the fear that it will lead to pedaphiles, bestials, and polygamists asking for the same. They’re calling it a “slipery slope” in the same regard as Rampant PeCeeism has turned out to me. I don’t blame them there, but seriously: keep it fair, keep it equal, respect the free will of both partners or more and this shouldn’t be nearly the problem they envision.

My failing to mention love in this equation so far is because love marriages, let alone between equal partners is a very modern idea, historically speaking.  It’s not universal even now.  In many cultures it’s no more than a legal partnership between families, not the individuals used to ensure the bond.  In some cases, it just about money for the parents selling their children into a union, whether welcome or not.  The brides, in this case are not just pawns; they’re chattel.  But we’re a new nation with new ideas that have been allowed to blossom and bear fruit here.  We need to encourage it.  It’s a significant evolutionary point in our species.  Regressing from it would not be a good thing.

There was one politician whose comments I read the other day – Rand Paul – who wisely stated that he thought the government should just get out of the marriage business and I think he’s right. Read the article and tell me what you think?

The presidential candidate broke his silence on Friday’s Supreme Court ruling dealing with the legality of same-sex marriages.
csmonitor.com|By The Christian Science Monitor
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About Ampbreia

I'm an ex-Pentacostal, ex-Muslim, ecclectic Agnostic with slightly Wiccan leanings. I am not affiliated with any organized religion or political platform, but I do believe in magic and all things wise and wonderful. I work as an admin in a calibration lab. I've published 2 books so far this year: Lost in Foreign Passions: Love and betrayal, passion and loss in the heart of an alien land (a memoir of my time as a Muslimah and living in Iran for a year), written under my previous married name, Debra Kamza, and Dream Lover (a paranormal romance, the tale of witch that summons her favorite character out of a Bewitched spin-off and the actor who plays him as well). I'm constantly writing stories and poems, thoughts and dreams, and quite a few opinions - many of which are not popular but oh well. Bite me. I'm interested in art, animals, the paranormal, and people. I love to dance, all sorts, but have been studying belly dance since 2006 and LOVE it! I love anime too and love dressing up and going to conventions. My writing runs the gummut of historical, science fiction, fantasy, romance, and erotica. Beware: I may not be safe reading for work. Just saying....
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9 Responses to “Traditional Marriage” and the Flip Side

  1. whyzat says:

    If the government “gets out of it,” then it won’t be legal. I agree with you that gay couples who demand that a certain preacher marry them are kinda weird. We need equality, but just go to another church, for god’s sake, boys!

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  2. Ampbreia says:

    The government getting out of the marriage business would be marriage license no longer required, same taxes for everyone, and free choice in regard to who you trust to be your executor or raise children with or have making medical decision for you when you’re able… all those things. Your choices in all those regards would be yours. The government wouldn’t regulate them. The government’s only job in that regard would be to uphold the civil rights of the individuals involved: No forcing your will on someone else, harming, selling, or abusing them.

    Oddly enough, all of those abuses are common to traditional marriage around the world. Those that say they believe in traditional marriage don’t seem to realize that traditional marriage throughout history has been more about business transactions between families rather than love or equality… and it has mostly involved keeping women subjugated. The concept of love, equality, and free-will in our relationships, idependent of family designs, is new to the concept of marriage and I think it’s the best thing that has ever happened to it.

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  3. Ampbreia says:

    Side note here: Having your church/temple/synagog bless your marriage and do the ceremony before witnesses, should be enough to authenticate your marriage. It shouldn’t require government approval or interference. Doesn’t need that from religion either, really. The original church didn’t even perform marriage. That took a long time in being accepted. Yet people married each other anyway.

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  4. I agree that government should get out of personal business- including marriage.

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    • Ampbreia says:

      Yep. They seem to have their noses in all kinds of things that shouldn’t be any of their business… and then people fight each other over it, forgetting that the government itself manufactured the problem. Or not noticing. Either way….

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  5. starmanjones says:

    but debeers would have to commission it’s own data on diamonds per u.s. marriages then, if gov gets out! Wills would have to be updated at least yearly as certain decisions have to be legally binding and accurate so lawyers would rise in employ. and gasp, there’d be NO ONE to give us permissions. or yet again, someone higher up than most would make yet more money and it’d cost those who care about costs far more to handle their affairs in a legally binding manner! 😉 personally it’s rather silly that gov is in a “church” matter anyways and yet gov is in the business of society…. hmn. but in fairness it would sound nice but can likely become something horrid as people demand in writing what’s up. social convention of marriage at least gives that one proof in a license.

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  6. Ampbreia says:

    Hm. I’m thinking you’re thinking I was saying to get rid of marriage altogether… but I wasn’t. I was only saying that the government has no business messing with it. That should be up only to the individuals involved. It’s personal, you know?

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